Curse

manitoba1073 · May 17, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

What they should have done with it is give 10 balth faction a kill in HM. Makes both sides happy.

BlackSephir · May 17, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

Ok. We've come to the conclusion that the Z chest is for both PVP and PVE players. Now, shouldn't the PvE'rs be able to obtain keys without relying on PVP?

Shouldn't pvp players be able to obtain legedary guardian without having to pve?
Stop whining and start playing on arenas.

What's next, a way to obtain Gladiator in pve? Rofl.

Red Sand · May 17, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

/not signed

But if you want to blur the lines between PvE and PvP rewards, let me craft elite armor with my PvP only toons. I'll sign any of "Give PvP rewards to PvE'rs" then.

obsidian ectoplasm · May 17, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I think there should be some way as gaining Z-keys or even better balth faction thogh pve, But i dont know if this is the right idea.

Yichi · May 17, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

What they should have done with it is give 10 balth faction a kill in HM. Makes both sides happy.

dumbest idea ever.

RhanoctJocosa · May 17, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

sorry bad players don't deserve anything

manitoba1073 · May 18, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Yichi

dumbest idea ever.

Why because you wouldnt get money anymore from the PvE'rs.

Just so you realize it still wouldnt be easy for the title and allow more people to use that faction also to unlock more skills instead of speading money on skills.

500 foes in HM killed would equal 1 key or 5k balths faction.

Divinus Stella · May 18, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Seems fair enough since the zaishen title is afterall a pve title.

EinherjarMx · May 18, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

500 foes in HM killed would equal 1 key or 5k balths faction.

as if it was hard to kill 500 raptors

it would take you like 15 minutes to kill'em , you (probably) can't make 20k balths faction in an hour

thats why it's a dumb idea

the answer is written some posts above "buy them with the gold you earned farming" as simple as that

pumpkin pie · May 18, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

If this zaishen key is for pvp people why does it give pve stuff?

exactly, so why are the PvP people getting these PvE stuffs see, that's the question thats been bugging me. if no one have "claim" anything regarding this keys/title it would not occur to me.

but then everyone is OH THERE YOU GO QQ, NOW YOU GET THIS STUIPD EMOTE FOR PVE PLAYERS. I am thinking must be a PvP player that siad that, so if its for QQ pve-ers, why is it accessible via PvP playing?

explanation: the original emote, what do you have to do to get it. play PvP, nothing else. right. so logically if an emote is for PvE, then it should be play PvE to get it, nothing else, that's why I am asking this from the beginning the zaishen title comes out. does not seem to sink into most people yet.

HawkofStorms · May 18, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Pumpkin_pie, PvPers want shiney stuff too. Also, keep in mind that PvP players do NEED money (guild invites, buying sigils for Guild Halls). Being able to sell junk golds made by the z-chest to the merchant or sell the keys dirrectly to PvE players are the only way PvP only players can reliably make money (not counting HoH chest, but that only gets opened 8 times every 10 miniutes, not a good source of income unless you get a mini ghostly).

Arkantos · May 18, 2008, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

What they should have done with it is give 10 balth faction a kill in HM. Makes both sides happy.

Yes, give PvE farmers a way to obtain zaishen keys. Keep the suggestions coming please.

If zaishen keys were obtainable through PvE, they'd be easily farmed, and you'll basically screw the PvPers over, even though zaishen keys were made for them in the first place. PvErs don't get all the attention/benefits. Accept that, and move on.

manitoba1073 · May 18, 2008, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

as if it was hard to kill 500 raptors

it would take you like 15 minutes to kill'em , you (probably) can't make 20k balths faction in an hour

thats why it's a dumb idea

the answer is written some posts above "buy them with the gold you earned farming" as simple as that

I suggest you go back and count them. Its 34 raptors a run. at 3-5 mins a run on HM that would only be 102-170 every 15 mins. You would only get roulghy 1 key an hour doing them. Not sure where you got 20k faction an hour at. as it would be close to 5k faction.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Yes, give PvE farmers a way to obtain zaishen keys. Keep the suggestions coming please.

Its not just about farmers. Everyone who also plays in HM, such as Vanquishing. With such crappy rewards it needs more to it.

Arkantos · May 18, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Its not just about farmers. Everyone who also plays in HM, such as Vanquishing. With such crappy rewards it needs more to it.

Then give people who play hard mode something other then an item that was implemented for PvPers. Although I don't see why they deserve more, seeing as the whole point of vanquishing is for a title, not for gold.

lutz · May 18, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

According to the all-knowing community manager, the Zaishen title was apparently to give a title to "winners of Monthly Automated Tournaments".
See, now we know that community managers are morons.

Since their intent was to "reward PvPers" (...lol), they probably won't implement this. It's a stupid idea anyway.

GvG is not rewarding enough - I want to be able to gain points on my Legendary Guardian title while GvGing. Every win = 1 mission completed. Or every win = 1 zone vanquished. How about that?

manitoba1073 · May 18, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Then give people who play hard mode something other then an item that was implemented for PvPers. Although I don't see why they deserve more, seeing as the whole point of vanquishing is for a title, not for gold.

You're ole so right. Since we cant have each side sharing. Lets just remove all PvP rewards that offer PvE items. Since those items where for PvE according to you that means PvP should never be able to use or get any PvE items. Sounds like a perfect idea to mean make the suggestion and Ill sign it. Make it so that PvP chars cant use armor, weapons and that from PvE. And if someone takes a PvE char those PvE items are unequiped and must use plain ole core items. Yeap sounds wonderful if neither side get what was implemented for the other now doesnt it.

Snow Bunny · May 18, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

PvPers, as it were, have relatively few means of getting cash.

This includes selling guild invites, rewards from hall of heroes, fame farming runs...and not much else. The PvP environment is much more hostile in terms of acquiring cheap, easy rewards. FoW can be done in ~45 minutes with ease, and with decent rewards. It normally takes about 30 minutes alone to organize a group for GvG/HA.

Why are you little bastards so damned greedy?

For once, be grateful for what you have, you miserable sods.

/notsigned

pumpkin pie · May 18, 2008, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Pumpkin_pie, PvPers want shiney stuff too. Also, keep in mind that PvP players do NEED money (guild invites, buying sigils for Guild Halls). Being able to sell junk golds made by the z-chest to the merchant or sell the keys dirrectly to PvE players are the only way PvP only players can reliably make money (not counting HoH chest, but that only gets opened 8 times every 10 miniutes, not a good source of income unless you get a mini ghostly).

I know pvpers need cash, i just don't understand why players say this is a pve title when it is obviously a pvp title. if it is a pve title players should be playing pve to get it and only play pve to get it. (rofl, i once inherited a guild, accidentally kick myself from it thou :P~ so yes i know it take gold to up keep a guild, and phewww was i lucky i kick myself, otherwise i'd be even more broke then now)

do you see?

Snow Bunny · May 18, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I know pvpers need cash, i just don't understand why players say this is a pve title when it is obviously a pvp title. if it is a pve title players should be playing pve to get it and only play pve to get it.

do you see?

No, I don't. Explain it, because otherwise you have seriously flawed logic.

PvPers do PvP, get faction, turn it into keys, sell keys, get money. PvPers care very little for a crappy little emote, especially one that looks absurd.

The Zaishen emote and title are PvE. PvE'ers have been crying for an emote for some time now. Well, this exemplifies it. You can spend all those ectos and whatnot to purchase a shiny little emote, because you sucked too much otherwise to get yourself the emote people clamored for.

pumpkin pie · May 18, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

No, I don't. Explain it, because otherwise you have seriously flawed logic.

PvPers do PvP, get faction, turn it into keys, sell keys, get money. PvPers care very little for a crappy little emote, especially one that looks absurd.

The Zaishen emote and title are PvE. PvE'ers have been crying for an emote for some time now. Well, this exemplifies it. You can spend all those ectos and whatnot to purchase a shiny little emote, because you sucked too much otherwise to get yourself the emote people clamored for.

lol, I don't have ectos, never go to elite dungeon or endgame thing or what ever, don't like it, because those are to me = pug, which i hate.

now that's out of the way.

PvP'ers do pvp get the original emote, right? now you get a second one for doing PvP while its is consider PvE title... right? Fair? Logic? NO.

PvP'ers don't like crappy little emote, right? many PvP'ers on this forums express their dislike and scord this emote that is suppose to belong to PvE'ers calling it absurds and crappy little emote, but still you get to turn this into money on-top of all the fame, blathazars factions, sigils drops in halls. Fair? Logic? NO

PvE'ers Crying for emote, right? Right, but wait, not only did we PvE'ers not get what we ask for, we get absurd looking ones according to you that players keep saying its "crappy little emote" that both PvP and PvE players can get? Fair? Logic? NO.

Weather i sucked or not at this game

its not what this thread is about, soooooo please keep that to yourself. oh and for you to say I sucked, is it fair? is it logic? have you 1 vs 1 me? is that fair? Logic to say? NO.